Speaker 1 00:00:08 Welcome to behind the paranormal with Paul and Ben Eno
Speaker 2 00:00:37 99 5 FM radio in wins, socket, Rhode Island on the pair, our normal radio app from talk stream, live on YouTube and via tunein.com. Uh, today we welcome a very special guest on a subject we haven't covered, uh, very much, uh, in all our years on the air. Strangely enough, it took us a long time to get him, but he's with us today, or we'll be in a minute, uh, native of my very favorite state of Maine, just up the road from us. The legendary Tom Dongo is a longtime UFO and paranormal researcher, remote viewer and medical intuitive. He has lived in Sedona, Arizona for over 30 years, and that's where I met. Well, actually I met him in Flagstaff last fall. Uh, Tom is a key lecturer at numerous, uh, national and international conferences, including the international UFO Congress. Tom has written countless mainstream magazine articles and is the author of eight books. Uh, today will concentrate on his 1994 book unseen beings, unseen worlds. Tom's website is Tom dongo.com. Okay, now we're still trying to get him here. Uh, somehow the, uh, uh, couple of technical difficulties, but, um, uh it's um, Tom is one. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:01:56 I just use you to unlock your phone.
Speaker 2 00:01:58 Oh, okay. Sorry. Uh, Tom is a, um, legend pretty much in the paranormal community. He's been around, uh, for a long time and, uh, many, many interesting experiences. We certainly wanna ask him today. Uh, remote viewing, uh, is a, uh, phenomenon by which, uh, people, uh, supposedly can see places that, that are far away. And, uh, the military, uh, I want ask to about this too. The military has used, uh, projects, particularly the CIA to have sort of a, a spies at a distance. Uh, not only are they a lot cheaper than sending in James Bond or somebody, uh, but it's also, uh, as I understand it proven in the 1970s exp to be relatively accurate. So, uh, in the sense of, um, uh, you know, scouting out targets, things of this kind before, uh, beforehand, uh, and, uh, uh, there was a large group of psychics who were employed for this.
Speaker 2 00:03:01 And, uh, no one knows the full story because obviously it was classified. So, uh, we'll see if Tom, uh, knows more, more about it. Uh, so, uh, how are we doing there, Ben? Uh, we're working on it. Okay. Yeah, it's funny. We did a sound, uh, Skype test yesterday. It was very successful, uh, things being what they are that's, that's pretty much what happened. Um, so in the, uh, very, very interesting, uh, experience, uh, for me anyway, last, um, uh, Saturday, uh, in Maine, that was, um, the, uh, new England para Fest. Now, now I guess it's gee, three weeks ago now, uh, that was our last live show before the two Easters hit. We had a panel of Tom spit, Larry and Matt Monise and Mike Stevens who were central to the, this wonderful event in partially in Maine and partially in Harell mass and a was, uh, actually, uh, an event that was going to, um, help support the Hilldale cemetery, historic cemetery in ha mass.
Speaker 2 00:04:08 And, uh, I'm not sure how much money was raised, but I, uh, went up and spoke in Kittery a week ago, Saturday, and was quite interesting in the sense that, uh, I, I gave my first presentation of a program, uh, that, um, had to do with working with ed Lorraine Warren. Now everybody's interested in ed Lorraine Warren today because of, uh, the conjuring films in which they are portrayed. And, uh, one of them, of course, the first conjuring film took place about 10 miles from where we sit in Burville Rhode Island, uh, the, uh, the parent household, uh, which is, uh, now in the hands of another owner. And, uh, but the house is still there. So what was very interesting is that I had never presented this program before, and there was a, a lot of interest in it. And I, uh, mentioned some things that I had never mentioned before.
Speaker 2 00:04:59 Uh, now the Warrens were not a into remote viewing that I ever knew of, but I worked with them very early on, uh, probably a lot of people worked with them, but I, I worked with them from 1972 to 1978, which was pretty early in their careers. And they weren't really well known, uh, outside of Connecticut. So, uh, what really propelled them to, uh, national fame was of course, excuse me, the, um, uh, Amityville haunting of, uh, that was later on about 1976 or so. And then, uh, before that this, um, uh, Bridgeport Poltergeist case of 1974, which I was involved. So that was something that was, uh, pretty, uh, pretty interesting and a lot of interest. So I'll be presenting in that program again, and we might do a show on that. Matter of fact, if we can't connect it with our guests, we might be doing it today. So, uh, everybody's working on this now, but, uh, we'll see what, uh, we, how we doing there, Ben, uh,
Speaker 4 00:06:03 It's going,
Speaker 2 00:06:05 Uh, is that good or bad? Yeah. Okay. We got 'em sure thing.
Speaker 4 00:06:09 We
Speaker 2 00:06:10 Don't, we don't, we do have a caller. Okay, good.
Speaker 5 00:06:14 Bad. Hello? Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:06:17 Hello? Uh, hello,
Speaker 5 00:06:19 This is Susan schooler. Who introduced you to
Speaker 2 00:06:22 Oh, Susan. Yes. Same our bacon here. And, uh, tell us what's going on.
Speaker 5 00:06:29 I was just calling to feel time story don't come over. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:06:34 Here. It's, it's a terrible connection. I'm afraid. Uh, we are trying to get Tom right now. We did a sound test yesterday in, in the, uh, we, we had him, but, um, there seems to be an issue this morning, so we're just, um, smart kind of reviewing. Tell us, uh, Susan, um, what, what are the plans for the, uh, greater new England UFO conference or has that, uh, materialized
Speaker 5 00:06:57 That hasn't quite materialized yet. Um, but we are, we are working on some details and, um, right now I'm working on another VALIC conference, like where you met, um, Tom out in Flagstaff and I'm working on the ones for Santa Cruz.
Speaker 2 00:07:10 Sure. Well, we, we just got him and, uh, Tom, welcome to, uh, w O N and behind the paranormal.
Speaker 5 00:07:19 Yeah. Okay. Well, we finally made it, yeah, right. Glad to be on the show.
Speaker 2 00:07:22 Yeah, that's good. You know, we don't have your, uh, pretty face, but, uh, we have your voice and that's what mattered. So we have,
Speaker 5 00:07:28 Uh, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2 00:07:31 We, we have our friend Susan, spooler on the line who just called in and, uh, Susan, did you have, uh, something you wanted to say to Tom?
Speaker 5 00:07:39 Hello, Tom. Good morning. Good afternoon to you. I just was trying to fill the time while, while I was trying to get you on board here on, on the station. And I was gonna tell the time of the one you took me to the, uh, to the Bradshaw ranch and I get to meet, um, Bob, Brad, char, and Linda. I checking that one, so, okay. Anyways. Well, good. I'll let you talk to tomorrow. Thank you so
Speaker 2 00:08:02 Much. Thank you, Susan. Thank you very much. Well, finally, let's get into our notion of, of, uh, our discussion of, um, uh, remote viewing now, Tom. Um, I took, uh, a lot of notes when I read your book, uh, unseen beings, unseen worlds, and, uh, per perhaps we could begin by asking you, you know, what is remote viewing? Maybe you
Speaker 5 00:08:25 Didn't shut it down. Yeah. Okay. Uh, let's see what we got. We got about 45 minutes left.
Speaker 2 00:08:31 Uh, something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 00:08:32 Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:08:33 Well, we, we have other things too. We have, uh, questions from listeners, et cetera. So, so just briefly.
Speaker 5 00:08:41 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I okay. Remote viewing, I this, uh, you, you guys in my 63rd time on worldwide radio and I've talked to about 90 million people and I, I talk, I remote viewing on everyone and people can't get enough of it. Yeah. Um, it, it, uh, it, remote viewing is, uh, basically projecting your subconscious, uh, to a, a place and time and distance has, has no meaning whatsoever. You can remote view any, any to anything anywhere.
Speaker 2 00:09:14 Oh, okay. That was, uh, one of our questions. Now, perhaps we could get a little deeper into this by, uh, I was very interested in, in your narrative about your experiments with your friend, Tom remote and the dog known as Binky and your interaction with them. So perhaps you could tell us about that.
Speaker 5 00:09:34 Well, Tom is a psychologist. He's still one of my best friends. And he tested me for six months on my remote viewing ability. And, uh, I, I scored way higher than most. I was born with a remote viewing ability. Very actually I have a master level remote viewing ability. So Tom, when I was living in, uh, Sedona, he was in Durango, Colorado. I was sitting in Sedona and he was in Durango. So he would put things out, uh, and, and, uh, uh, and, and I, I would go, uh, uh, remote view to Durango and, uh, see what he put out. And I, I found, I discovered that, uh, it, there any, everything that was in the sun, uh, I could see clearly, but it was in the shadows. I couldn't, uh, so, so, uh, uh, uh, Maureen St. Jermaine and I, uh, who was a country's top selling book author just, just finished.
Speaker 5 00:10:30 Uh, well, actually, no, it's a continuation. We're still, we're still going with it. Uh, a, a remote viewing workshop. I'll tell you about biggie in a minute. But, uh, we, we, we, we, we developed a new method. Uh, she, she taught the military method using coordinates, which I tried and I hit it a hundred percent. And I, I have my own method that she calls it, the Tom Dongo method and it works pretty. So we combined those two and we had, we had students from all over the world and, uh, there was one guy from, uh, and he is abig from Australia. Abs was his name. Nobody could pronounce his name. So they call him abs, you know, abig <laugh>. But anyway, this guy's, this guy's hit rate was phenomenal, probably because he, he, he is an AB abig. I mean, he, he had a couple of hits that just blew my mind, uh, uh, uh, just using, uh, uh, coordinates, uh, the numbers like Ingo Swan, uh, developed this, you know, you have a bunch of numbers, like 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, and that signifies something.
Speaker 5 00:11:32 And so you, you remote view of those numbers and, and, and try to figure out what it is, you know, so, and he, he nailed a blow 'em unbelievably. So, uh, anyway, we, uh, we, uh, the, uh, we've extended it another two months, our course, and, uh, you know, uh, there, there are a few people, we, we, we charge the fair amount, but there are people charging $5,000 ahead to teach remote viewing. It kind of pissed me off because yeah, it should be free. Uh, and I wish I could do it free. I wish I could give it to millions of people, because it it's an incredible, uh, uh, you know, uh, ability, but you, you can go anywhere. You can do anything, you can talk to extra press deals, which I've done proved it, uh, with, uh, Joe McMonagle, who at the time was the top, the top government remote viewer.
Speaker 5 00:12:26 He was standing right beside me. And I found out the government, remote viewers was doing exactly the same thing I was doing. Yeah. Going out in the, out in the space and visiting alien spacecraft. Uh, anyway, Joe got into trouble. It's a, a long story, but he got in trouble doing it. So it was at least I knew I wasn't crazy. I thought I had to be crazy to be, to be, uh, you know, to be, uh, doing this stuff. And it turned, you know, I, I was really gratified that I wasn't crazy, you know?
Speaker 2 00:12:54 Yeah.
Speaker 5 00:12:54 Well,
Speaker 2 00:12:56 Oh, no, go ahead.
Speaker 5 00:12:59 Well, uh, Bey. Yeah, the dog that's one of my favorite stories is Bey the dog. Yeah. You know, you know, I, uh, I, I was looking for Tom O'Donnell. I, I would, I would appear over his driveway float through his, his, uh, his ear, his office window, go through his office and go down his stairs. And, and usually Tom would tell me, cuz we'd be talking on the telephone. This was before a cell phone and I I'd go and find Tom. And he was usually out in the backyard, his, his, uh, his garden or whatever. And, uh, so his dog, you know, Kim, you know, you feel like a ghost sometimes doing remote viewing. And to me, that's what it looks like for a ghost. You know, its clear it's kinda an OPA opaque reality. So I looked and the dog was following me around and I, I got right down eyeballed, eyeball, you know, the dog was going. I said, well you a little faster. You can actually see me can't you and the dog <laugh> you know, so, so, uh,
Speaker 2 00:14:01 You gotta keep it the queen zone, the English FCC regularly. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:14:06 Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Uh, so anyway, that's uh, that's remote viewing.
Speaker 2 00:14:12 All right. Uh, now I, you already answered a couple of questions. I was gonna ask, uh, how far can you go? And apparently there's no limit on distance and um, uh, just before we get to a listener question here, uh, and you deal with this a little bit in the book, what is the difference between remote viewing and out of the body experience? Where
Speaker 5 00:14:33 There, well, yeah, I, I, yeah, I asked that a lot. It's it's similar, but it's not the same hard to describe it. It's not, it's not the same.
Speaker 2 00:14:41 Okay. All right. Well fair enough, Ben. Uh, we have a question here from, uh, Peter Shelly in, uh, Columbia, south Columbia, South Carolina, right? Uh, Columbia, south America, uh, from Bogata and he's one of our guest co-hosts from time to time and a good friend. Yes. And what does Peter have to ask this week?
Speaker 6 00:15:01 Uh, Peter has, has, has a gaggle of questions. Uh, the first one is, uh, can you walk us through a very simple remote viewing exercise, uh, that any buddy can do using a conventional target?
Speaker 5 00:15:15 Yes. What, what I, what I do when I teach my method is, uh, say, say you live in, in, uh, uh, a big city anywhere. I, I, I, I like to take, uh, New York city as an example, say, say you grew up in a, in a, a farm in, in, in Kansas and, and, uh, your, and hopefully your, you know, your relative is still there on that farm in Kansas. You go from New York and go to go to Kansas and, and, and, uh, uh, you know, see yourself, see yourself there and look around. Is it raining? Is it sunny? You know, is it snowing? Is it, you know what, you know, what it, every, and then, and then actually look around, do you see, you see flowers or different cars in the, the yard in, uh, in, uh, keep doing that. And, and, and after a while, you'll actually find yourself there.
Speaker 5 00:16:06 And some people can do it in a very short time week, but most people, it takes months to, to, to perfect this pretty good. So that's in a nutshell, that's basically my technique. You keep doing that. And then you call you, you go there one day and you see a, a, I actually did this. I, I was, I was working with a friend in, uh, I saw a brand new farm oil tractor sitting kind of hiding under his, uh, the ease of the, his house. And I said, say, uh, Tom, what, what's the new new tractor doing actually was red, red tractor doing, doing behind your house? And he said, uh, he cuz he knew I was a remote viewer. And he said, well, my I, my next door neighbor bought it. He's afraid to tell his wife, he bought it. So he is hiding it a over here. I could see that I could see that 350 miles away.
Speaker 2 00:16:59 Pretty cool.
Speaker 6 00:17:00 His wife can probably see it too. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:17:03 Yeah. Better hope she doesn't uh, remote view. Uh, good Ben uh, question number two.
Speaker 6 00:17:07 Sure thing. So, uh, the next question is on other shows you have said, and you mentioned this on our show already as well, uh, that you have remote viewed the interior of alien spacecraft many times. Uh, what specific details did you see?
Speaker 5 00:17:22 Well, you know, that's, that's an interesting thing. You, you can't, it's like a, it's like, uh, it's kinda like a dream, uh, to, to actually focus on something is really hard, but it with, with, uh, with a, with, uh, a lot of, uh, practice, you can do it cause I've, I've done it. The, the thing actually comes in a clear, clear view that Tom, Tom O Darlan I did that he put, he would put something on the table and, and I, I, I could see the, the, uh, you know, I could pretty much guess what it was, but to, to focus on, to make it come in clear was difficult. So anyway, uh, but Joe, I was standing in a group of six people with Joe MCON and he was, he was right. He was right to my left. And, uh, I had been going to alien spacecraft there, there are hundreds of them out there in all it around.
Speaker 5 00:18:08 They're easy to find for a remote viewer. So I was sitting, I was standing there in this, in this group at, at, uh, at a conference and thinking I I'm, you know, I, uh, I must be crazy to be doing this stuff. I must be, you know, real next piece. So Joe MC Mongo starts about talking about the government, remote viewers, do what we're doing, the same thing. They were going out and visiting alien spacecraft. So, uh, I've been doing it for quite a while. And, and you know, they, uh, what, what, uh, I tell people, if you're gonna do this, you go, you go up to the craft and, and if you get closer to it, if you feel welcomed, you're fine. But if you, if you feel threatened, if you, if you, if they tell you to leave, get away, do it immediately because it's, they're serious.
Speaker 5 00:18:57 But if you keep going closer to the craft and it, and it feels good, if it feels welcoming, then go into it. And, uh, as, as you're floating around inside the craft, they, the, they all look up and they go, oh, another human, you know, they'll look up at you. So, uh, they they're, uh, they're uh, they're uh, they they're, the crafts are always, they're pretty much the same. And the interesting thing is, uh, they're, they're about, I I've been researching this stuff for 40 years and, uh, they're about 17 races of human, extra trash deals that are coming and going from the planet and about a hundred humanoids, uh, and the, the government, uh, the day after Roswell Colonel Choal, they, when, when that book was written, he said the government knew of 71 races. So, uh, the interesting thing is these, these shifts that I've gone on, I don't do it anymore.
Speaker 5 00:19:53 It gets boring. After a while they were all humanoids. They were nothing like us. Uh, so, so that's, uh, you know, really, oh, Joe MCON, he went outta one. They told him not, not, you know, to go away. You know, they, they, uh, they, uh, they warned him, stay away, went on the ship anyway. So they grabbed him and put him in a, in a box. Now this is the, government's the government's top remote viewer. I'm not blowing smoke outta my ears. You know, whatever I talk about, I can prove it. You know, when I'm on the radio, I said this a million times, but when I can talk about stuff, I can prove it one way or another. So anyway, Joe was, uh, they wouldn't let him go. He said he was, he did two tours in, in Vietnam. He said, this is the scariest thing that ever happened to him. Cause his body was down here on the earth and his mind was out, out there in, out of space somewhere and they wouldn't let him go. So finally they did. He said it was an incredible relief to be out of that box. He couldn't get outta that box. They put him in
Speaker 2 00:20:57 Well to many people. This may sound, uh, way out there and it is, but I I've run into this, uh, reports day in and day out for decades as have you. I'm sure. Uh, my first, um, remote viewing, uh, re really deep conversation about it was with an Australian Aboriginal elder in Australia in 1979. And, uh, he was very feet on the ground. Very matter of fact. And, uh, he talked a lot that this, this is what the, the medicine people do. The shaman says, we might say, uh, in many cases. And so, um, uh, and I, and I've talked to people at the other end of the spectrum who, uh, were connected with some of the government work. And some of them said some things rather similar to what you said. So, I mean, it is never happened to me. You know, I've had, uh, UFO sightings and stuff.
Speaker 2 00:21:55 I got one on video a couple of years ago and stuff like this, but as far as I know, I've never done any, uh, uh, remote viewing. Now, now that being said, I wanted to ask your opinion on things that, uh, have happened to me. And that's that, uh, occasionally really, since I turned 60 or where, or maybe even a little before that, uh, I occasionally will get vivid, uh, extremely vivid flashes of different places. Uh, some of which are not very conventional. They don't look like they're or maybe on earth. Uh, and, uh, you know, that sometimes, uh, you know, not necessarily dreams, uh, you know, as I'm, uh, going through my day, sometimes this will happen and I don't know what something wrong with me or what, but, uh, I've talked to weathers on this and they say, um, and, and, and I can't stress it up. The, the vivid nature of these, uh, what's a, am I having a spontaneous, uh, remote viewing experiences
Speaker 5 00:22:55 Actually? Yes. Uh, you know, that once you get, uh, some people, you know, a lot of people in natural remote viewers, they just don't know what, uh, uh, you know, I, I, it happens to me a lot, you know, and one of the, I, when I tell people about remote viewing, one, one of the downside is, uh, actually I watched a murder in your area watching, you know, suddenly watching a murder that is taking place. And, and it's, it's rough. Oh, dear. I'll tell you about a minute, a little bit, as much as I can. And the other thing is watching your girlfriend having sex with another guy <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:23:30 Yeah, well, I guess, uh, there are no limits, but
Speaker 5 00:23:34 Yeah, well, it's, it's happened me twice. You, you know, you you're drawn to something, you know, you, you suddenly, you're looking at something and, and, and you, uh, uh, you know, if your remote view or you, you pay attention to it and focus on it. And, uh, but, but, you know, watching a murder, it's tough. It's attacked me a few times. And it, it it's, you know, it's, it is being a remote viewer. You know, you have to get used to it after a while this, you know, there, there's the wonderful parts of it. And some of 'em are a little bit downside, but, uh, you can, you can travel anywhere. I've gone back in time. I love to go back to a Saxon village a thousand years ago and just sit and, and, uh, and the air is different. All the, the, you know, the flowers are more fragrant. Air air is pure, you know, crystal pure, and, you know, you smell bread baking and, and, uh, and, you know, and watch, watch people walking by with whatever they're carrying or whatever. And they, they all soak themselves and Frank and sense and murder in those days. Cause they smell so bad. But you know, that's just part of what, you know, way it is. Well,
Speaker 2 00:24:35 I've heard, I've heard, I've heard comments from people, uh, uh, during someone may be pointing out that these remote viewers around all the time. And, uh, somebody said, gee, I'll never get undressed again because you know, who knows?
Speaker 5 00:24:50 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:24:51 I don't know. Yeah. To me it's well, anyway, why don't we take our, uh, our mid show break? Uh, you're listening to behind the paranormal with Paul Benino on w 12:40 AM and 99, 5 FM and new England's beautiful black star river valley with our amazing guest Tom Dongo today. And we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 00:26:01 And welcome back to behind the paranormal here on w oh one radio and our guest, Tom Dongo. Excuse me. Is that what we're talking about? Remote viewing. So Ben, uh, why don't you take it away?
Speaker 6 00:26:11 Yeah, I, I, I've got a, I've been working on a, on a couple, couple of questions over here trying to, um, I, it was saying a lot of really interesting things, Tom, I've kind of been paying attention to how you've been wording your, your answers. And, um, I, I, I, I've kind of broke it down into a couple of things. What, what portion of us is doing the actual viewing?
Speaker 5 00:26:35 Subconscious it's, it's just, it's just subconscious. You you're actually, uh, you know, I, I was born a master remote viewer, but I, I understand it completely, so I, I can tell people how to do it. Uh, you know, and I think, you know, I think people work too, too hard at it. I, I think, I think remote viewing can be a lot easier than people make it, uh, you know, you know, they struggle with it, you know, they, they, uh, uh, <affirmative>, you know, they think too hard about it. They, uh, intellectualize it and, uh, I think it can be a lot easier than that. And I, I wish I could, I could project it to millions of people just give it away. So they, you know, make them make 'em as good or better than me. I mean, I'm serious because with this world would be a different place if they were more, more good remote viewers. I, uh, so, you know, it's, uh, it, it's just a, uh, you know, I, I do the best I can, you know, I I'm by myself, I do everything by myself. So, so, uh, you know, and I, I'm working with Maureen St. Jermaine and we're, we're, we're, uh, probably gonna be teaching remote doing for a while. Uh she's she's so busy right now. I just don't know. But, uh, uh, you with the remote view. Yeah, go
Speaker 6 00:27:50 Ahead. So, so what, let let's, let's take another step back here. Um, can you define the word subconscious?
Speaker 5 00:27:58 No, it's just, it's just, well, you, you get, you're conscious and your subconscious it's part of your brain part psyche, you project somewhere. Uh, but other than that, I, I don't really know, but it is just something that I do all the time. I, my body's, you know, in one place, but I project to a, to another place and, and after, uh, I'm not gonna talk about this, I'm really not, but, you know, they're missing four 11, all the people that have been disappearing, these pop mm-hmm <affirmative>. I was finally able to remote view that because I had names and I, I had places where they, where they disappeared and I could, I could find them, I could follow them. I mean, I haven't been able to do that. I tried, tried before, and I got blocked there's there's things, remote there's places, remote viewers. Can't go. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 6 00:28:46 And why
Speaker 5 00:28:47 Is that? And, uh, so I, I don't know, but I I've talked, I've talked to a lot of remote viewers. Some of my, some of my best friends are, are the best, the original, uh, Sytech government, remote viewers, trained by tar and, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, uh, uh, so, uh, Russel Todd and English Swan, they're my friend. I I've taught them my technique when they say my technique works, it's better than the government technique. Hmm. Uh, so anyway, I, I, I'm not gonna talk about it, but I, I, I, I know what happened to those people. It was pretty easy to, to track some other, some other, some other more viewer can talk about it. I, I won't, but I, I know what happened to him, you know, the, the missing four 11, uh, David poli.
Speaker 6 00:29:34 Mm, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 00:29:36 If you, if you, if you guys haven't read that book, you you've got, you've gotta read it. We
Speaker 6 00:29:40 Got a couple copies floating around. Yeah. Yeah, we do. Um, so, so now let's, let's say shift in a different direction here. Uh, I, I kind of, I wrote down this one, this one thing you said earlier in the show and says, you, you feel like a ghost now that, that got my, that got my brain thinking, what is, what is the experience of remote viewing, like for, for those who have never or experienced it, which probably a majority of people <laugh>, is it, is there, are there any physical sensations, how, how does it sort of affect your affect your senses?
Speaker 5 00:30:10 Well, you know, it, uh, you, you, it really, uh, it, it, it improved the more you use it, the better it gets. You know, when I, when I used to work with Tom Adon it and Durango, you know, we'd both be on a, we'd be talking on the telephone and he'd be walking and I'd be floating. And I, I'm telling, I'm saying I'm floating beside, he couldn't see me, but I, I could see him. And, and, uh, and so, you know, it is got to be like, what a ghost would feel like, because, uh, you, you know, when I, when I, sometimes when I go looking for Tom, I could see everything crystal clear, and I promised him, I'll never go near his bathrooms. I won't, I won't, you know, you talked about that, Tom I'll, if I go by your bathroom, I won't look.
Speaker 5 00:30:56 Yeah. And I, and I have, so anyway, uh, it's it, you know, when I was doing it day, I, I said I was in Tom's backyard and Durango. And I said, you know, this has got to be what a ghost feels like, everything, uh, you know, and, and the dog could see me. And, and, and he, he looked at me like, you, you know, how animals, dogs and cats react when they see something floating around, you know, might be a ghost or whatever, that that's the way Vicki was acting. And I, I got right down a little bugger his face, and I said, you can really see can't you, you know, he was looking right into my eyes and, and, uh, so animals, animals can see cats and dogs can see, can see you. They can see ghosts, I think. Um, so it, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's just an amazing, amazing, amazing experience.
Speaker 5 00:31:45 Uh, Tom O'Donnell tested me. He, he did Dr. Tom O'Donnell tested me for six months on this stuff. We had a heck of a good time. He, he wanted to see how good I was. He had a, a bird aviary, uh, next to his house with tropical birds and tropical plants. I used to love to go into that, that, that go into it. It was real human, and all the birds would block around me. They'd be hopping from branch to branch watching me. They could see me every one of them, these tropical birds. So, so it, it's a, it's a, it's a, you know, I, I, I wish, you know, I'm 77 years old. I, I wish I could just give it away. Freedom, millions of people. So they could be, you know, there's $5,000, you know, crap, you know, it's not fair. It's, it's, it's, uh, people there's too many, you know, greedy people in the world that really taking advantage of people.
Speaker 6 00:32:37 Yeah. So, one, one other question. So do you ever find yourself spontaneously kind of remote viewing you're you're pulled away from, from yourself to, to view something? Has that ever been an experience you've had?
Speaker 5 00:32:52 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a real, it's a real interesting experience because suddenly you, you, you're pulled by some thing, you know, you see something, so you, you, you know, you go, gee, what, I wanna know what that is. So then, then you look at it closer and you're actually pulled into it. You know? I mean, I could be, I could be standing, you know, on a street and, and, uh, I, I can do it. And, and, uh, uh, uh, you know, like I say, it can be good or it can be bad, and you, you can smell things. You, uh, remote viewing one time Tom was, he was cooking some things. And I, I was waiting, I, I, I went a little early just to see what he was doing. And he was cooking a smell like, uh, chili. And he said, no, it's not chili. It, it was some kind of spaghetti sauce, but I could smell it. I could, I wa I was watching him. I was, I was sitting on his stairs and watching him cooking, and I could smell it from 350 miles away.
Speaker 6 00:33:47 Hmm. Interesting. There was some sauce. Yeah. So, so how does this sort of, so you, you're living your everyday life, right. You know, you are, you are, you're doing, doing normal things. You're going to the post office, you're doing whatever, whatever, whatever it is you do, how has this, how has this affected sort of your, your, I guess for lack of better words, waking reality, does, does it affect your day to day?
Speaker 5 00:34:09 Oh boy. Good question. Yes, it absolutely does. I'm I'm I I'm glad you said that. Cause it's something I've been thinking about lately after a while I'm in another world, I'm in, I'm in a remote viewing world, uh, and this is, this has just happened in the last year or so. I I'm in two places, I'm, you know, I'm here in my body of my normal, you know, sight smell and all that. And, and I'm also in, in another world, you know, a remote viewing world and, and, uh, it it's, uh, I, you know, I'm, I'm going, what's happening to me. Am I, you know, am I, you know, but, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's wild. I mean, you, you, you, you know, you, you can't, you can't explain this stuff, some of this stuff, unless you're a remote viewer and I I've, you know, I, I've got some of my best friends are remote, you know, our master remote viewer.
Speaker 5 00:34:55 So we can sit and talk about this stuff. Uh, you know, one of them's a retired air force, Colonel we, and, and we, he, uh, uh, he's worked on government projects and, and boy, you know, we got joking one time. I said, you know, if we were, it's good thing, we're not sitting in a, in a, in a coffee shop in Omaha. We, we, somebody over here is what we're talking about. We probably wouldn't get out of town alive. You know, we we'd be tired for before as we, yeah. We, we talk, I mean, we talk about some stuff that I, you know, I have friends that are researchers, and I said, you, you wouldn't believe what we talk about when, when, uh, Ron and I get gone. He's a retired air force Colonel. Mm,
Speaker 2 00:35:36 Okay.
Speaker 6 00:35:36 Well I'm
Speaker 5 00:35:38 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:35:39 Oh, no, just, I have kind of a double question. Uh, um, uh, one is, um, have you ever encountered that, apparently it doesn't happen to you, but, but other people who wrote view and can only see, but not hear, or can only hear, but not see or smell or anything like that. And number two, how would any of that work without a physical body? How would your physical senses without a physical body?
Speaker 5 00:36:05 Well, yeah, well, you know, your physical body is still is, it's kind of, that's a good question. I've never been asked that before, but it, uh, you know, this is probably something we do naturally, what I do is something we, all of us are probably supposed to do naturally, but we've just, uh, got away from it. And, uh, so, you know, I, that's a hard question to answer, but, but it, I, it is worked for me. I mean, I've been, well, 10 years now, I've, I've been doing this stuff and teaching it. Like, I, like I say, I've talked to probably 90 million people in the last three years and, and people can't get enough of it. And I, I wish people, you know, the, the government, the government way of, uh, teaching remote viewing is, is, uh, is it's really tedious. And it, and it's, it's, it's, uh, it's my, well, you know, I don't like it too much because they, they use coordinate. I mean, it works for the experienced, the experience remote of viewers, but, uh, you know, I try, I tried it and I got, I hit it a hundred percent just because I I'm already there. You know, I'm already a good remote viewer, but, uh, I, I wish there was a quicker way people could learn it and, and, and not use it for, you know, bad, uh, you know, negative stuff. It can be used for negative. You can spy your wife, you can spy your husband, that kind of crap.
Speaker 5 00:37:19 Yeah. You know, so, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:37:22 Uh, well, Tom, there's one thing and it's throughout your book and, and you've said it on the show today, and it's one of the reasons I admire you so much is when you don't know something, you actually say, I don't know, you, you don't make stuff up and, you know, you don't, you don't reach. And I really respect that. Yeah. Just wanted to say,
Speaker 5 00:37:41 You know, I, I don't, I don't, I don't bickering and squabble. I don't, I don't get into these, uh, GU of poop fights. You know, some people they won't quit for, you know, you know, I I'll tell somebody if you prove me wrong, that's it, we're, we're finished. I, you know, I I'm done with it. You you're right. And I'm wrong, that's it. That's the end. I, I won't, I bicker and squabble with people, you know, for, for no, no reason, you know? So I, I, uh, yeah, I'm real careful about that.
Speaker 2 00:38:07 So, uh, let's take a minute. Now, tell us about your website and your books and where people can get them and find out more about you.
Speaker 5 00:38:16 Well, you know, I was, I was just on a show a couple of days ago, you know, I got, I got, uh, 136 females in one day and I, so I'm, I'm overwhelmed. Uh, my, my books, you can find 'em on Amazon. All my books are on Amazon, or you can go to any bookstore and order them, uh, emerging, merging dimensions. It's about the, the four and a half years I spent on Brad, the Bradshaw ranch. And that's actually, there's a, there's a new video out called Fu do tall. It's kind of, it's kind of roundabout about me, but it's, it's a smash hit. It's had 12,000 views in two days. Hmm. It's called Fu who do tall. It's on, it's on pre it's, pre on YouTube and it, it I'm in it. And, uh, that's the whole thing is about the most, all of it is about the Bradshaw ranch, which I, I spent four and a half years on. It was like, if you're familiar with the skin Walker ranch and the blind, our ranch and the, the, the star dust ranch, you know, this, this weirdness strangeness goes on on these ranches and nobody knows why, uh, you know, in, uh, skin walkers, you know, it's a TV series. I don't have, I haven't had a TV for 10 years, so I don't watch TVs, but I don't, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2 00:39:32 Well, the, the, um, Bradshaw ranch is something thing I've heard about for a long time. And I was, uh, in that area myself last fall. You know, when I saw you, uh, could you tell us, just take a minute and tell us a bit about the Bradshaw ranch for those who aren't familiar with it?
Speaker 5 00:39:49 Um, yeah. It's well, uh, it, it, you know, the, uh, I'll, you know, well, I, well, uh, stuff happened there that probably hasn't happened anywhere, anywhere else on the planning. I I've been doing this stuff for 40 years, so I'm pretty familiar with everything that goes on in this planet, but, uh, the, the weirdness that goes the, okay, I'm gonna jump ahead a little bit. The government bought the ranch hour ranch for 4 million bucks. Right. So, so, and, and, and the government leased it to the forest service, you know, forest service. So the forest service leases it to the university of Northern Arizona. And, uh, they were gonna bull those, all the ranch houses, cuz they're in ruins, everything's in ruins out there now step all, uh, dates so far back and they don't know who they don't have no idea who made it. So they're gonna, four years ago, they were gonna bull those, all their buildings down and they haven't, they they're gonna do research there on, uh, the native plant Southwest plant. So, so I'm wondering if they read my book, it was, you know, had the, you know, the pajamas off, you know, if they read my book and it's all true, all, all the stuff I got in my emerging dimensions is all about the Bradshaw ranch. Uh, so, so is the, uh, secret Sedona and, uh, uh, another book. Uh, so, uh, well, I'll tell you a story real quick. How much time we got left?
Speaker 6 00:41:19 How about a little less than 15 minutes?
Speaker 5 00:41:22 15? Okay. I'll tell this starts with this. This is the last thing that happened out there. I mean, I can go on for hours about this stuff, but there's the three researchers. I mean, and these, these guys were veteran researchers. I mean, they had all the latest equipment night vision. Uh, I think they even had ground penetrating radars. I mean the worked right, all the radios, they had, you know, perfect radio stuff. So these guys go out to the Bradshaw ranch, the Bradshaw ranch sits by itself, six miles out of Sedona. It's not, it's in the middle of the national forest land, so they're never gonna, never be, there'll never be any growth around it. So anyway, so, so these guys, these guys go out there and they station themselves around the ranch and, and there's, and, uh, so, uh, and they, they got their equipment all all out, you know, and, uh, the, the, the windmill, there's a big wind bill wind.
Speaker 5 00:42:13 And the funny thing is I never went up by that windmill, but there was one guy who was sitting below the windmill and some of the strangest things on this planet, paranormal things on this planet happened around that windmill. I don't, you know, I don't know why I, I, I, oh, quick story. I, I was doing a, a, uh, a shoot with a national, uh, uh, uh, it was a national show anyway for, for, uh, paranormal. And one of the, one of the, one of the, the, uh, the cameramen had to take a whiz and he said, I'll be back in a minute. So, you know, I mean, these guys were, you know, second by second, you know, I mean, they're just, they're on the go. So anyway, the guy comes back an hour later, zipping his, and they said he was gone an hour.
Speaker 5 00:42:58 And, and, uh, they all said, where were you? Where were you? You know, we, we, we you're holding up production. And he said, I just went up there by the wind, the windmill. But he said, you know, the funny thing is I heard horses. I heard the strangest language, this kind of a buzzing, there was two tooth things talking up there. So, so he said, he said, I just put up here to take a whi, but they said, no, you were gone an hour. So anyway, these guys, these three guys, these three guys spread out around the Bradshaw ranch, and this is about two years ago. I interviewed these guys for two hours. So, I mean, I got, you know, I don't often get the first person the interview. I mean, it's usually the second or third, you know, somebody's heard the story and I can't find the, the, the person that actually had the experience.
Speaker 5 00:43:43 So, so anyway, these guys, these guys were really shook up. They were, they were, uh, uh, about it was after dark anyway. And, and the, the, uh, Bradshaw ran, sits down in a hollow and, and, uh, uh, it was a working cattle ranch, one cattle ranch, and bus ranch back in the, started in 1949. But so anyway, so above it is that the, uh, well ranch hill and, uh, the, the cars, you can see cars, tourist cars, you know, they, they come up, they, they turn around, they go, they going, but this one stayed you. And it started coming down the road to the Bradshaw. Ranch is off to the left. This thing came right straight down, Z zigzagging driving through the trees, which is almost if it's impossible, even a tank, couldn't get down through there. So it, you know, it gets down there.
Speaker 5 00:44:30 These guys are all watching this thing and gets down to the bottom of the hill. Doesn't go over the, the, uh, the road where the gate is. They just come straight across smooth. The silk, like it's driving on a freeway, goes through a chicken wire fence. Doesn't knock it down, drives right through. It goes across a cultivated fee, you know, foot and a half feet, you know, Ru right. Just like, like it's on, on smooth pavement comes around. UFOs can mimic cars perfectly. I've seen it dozens of times. I've heard of that too. Witnesses. Yeah. Yeah. They can, they, they can mimic a car or an airplane. I've seen them, you know, and, and, you know, witnesses. I had lots of witnesses. So, uh, so anyway, so, so these, so these guys, the car turns, uh, they're all looking down on it, right. You know, it's got, you know, taillights headlights, the whole deal, you know, the door opens, the interior light comes on and this, and, oh, and a few minutes before, uh, the guy on the far right.
Speaker 5 00:45:30 Has seen a guy who white pants walked behind the, the ranch house. Didn't see where he went. And so the, a girl got out, uh, a human girl got outta the car, all dressed in white, ran to the back of the, the, uh, the, uh, the ranch house. And the first thing I said was, did she have time to take a pee? They all said, no, she didn't. So, so she, she, she picked something up. This, this guy must have had something for her. So she ran back to the car and the car, you know, goes, goes, drives through another chicken wire fence, nine foot tall chicken wire, fence bumps across the, I mean, it just goes across this cultivated field, fresh cultivated field, like it on, on smooth statement goes through, through another chicken wire fence and goes back up through the tree. So these guys, I say, so I, you know, I, I I've interviewed about 400 abductee and contactee alien contactee, and ABUC. So I think the only person in the world has done more research on that than I talked him, bud died a couple years ago. Yeah. So, anyway, so I'm sitting with these guys. I said, okay, what happened after that? Cause I usually what hap something hap usually happens to them. Uh, oh, Skype just came on.
Speaker 2 00:46:50 Oh, well, too late. <laugh>
Speaker 5 00:46:52 Yeah. Too late. But yeah, I call my, I call my hair and put it on a nice plain shirt, like for nothing. Oh dear. So
Speaker 2 00:47:01 It happens anyway, next time we'll get it straight. We should probably do a whole show on the Bradshaw ranch, but, um, just, uh, to, before we, we have to end and our last few minutes, um, how much do you know about the CIA experiments with, uh, remote viewing now? Of course, we both know that projects will begin. The government will change the name, maybe change the location and say they've ended, but they actually continue under another form. So, um, do you have any, uh, inside information on the CIA experiments with, uh, remote viewing or anybody else's
Speaker 5 00:47:38 Yeah. Yeah, I do. You know, you know, you know, I, I know ex intelligence people, air force, uh, Navy Naval intelligence, and I know a couple of retired, uh, uh, C uh, you know, they they've been doing it. They, uh, they well go back 30 years, they were doing, uh, the Americans were doing and the Russians were doing it. The Americans were dying of heart attacks and the Russians were doing dying of brain hemorrhages. Yeah. So they would, they were trying to hurt. They were trying to destroy each other. They change their tactics, but that's the, that's the CIA and, and, uh, you know, uh, oh boy, we can talk about this for now. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, well, you know, I, I can, I know what's going on with the government cause I can remote view of the government and they know, I know it, so, you know yeah, yeah. So,
Speaker 2 00:48:29 Well, we can cover that on another show perhaps, but, um, so, so what is, uh, what are you working on right now, Tom? What, what are your next, uh, steps in research and, uh, writing,
Speaker 5 00:48:42 I've been working with a friend that has direct, uh, human extraterrestrial contact he's he's ex CIA, and, uh, he just wrote a book about it and, and I I've been working on that with him for about a month, uh, uh, yeah, about a month. It's an awesome book. And I'll have, he's gonna, it's gonna be printed next week. He has had direct human next to terrestrial contact
Speaker 2 00:49:05 And he's from
Speaker 5 00:49:06 C yeah. Okay. Uh, yeah. Long story. Okay. Yep. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. So, so anyway, that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 00:49:15 Okay. Well, we'll have you back to talk about Brad Shaw and, um, I think there's plenty of potential shows here, uh, particularly with your long experience. Um, but I think there's one question we did not get to very, very briefly. Uh, and that's um, uh, do you, uh, do you know of people who have remote viewing experiences with only one or two senses, you know, that they, they can only see, but can't hear only smell or can't that's uh,
Speaker 5 00:49:44 Uh, no, no, really. It's not remote. They're psychic. No, there's a diff there's a vast difference between remote viewing and psychic ability that that's psychic one of one that's psychic ability. That's not remote viewing. Cause I know because I do it, I'm, I'm extremely psychic. Uh, so no, no one is remote viewing. The other is psychic. If they only see one thing it's, that's psychic ability.
Speaker 2 00:50:09 Oh, right. And like Claire audience or that sort of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 5 00:50:13 Yeah.
Speaker 6 00:50:15 I'm learning so many things today.
Speaker 2 00:50:17 Yeah. I, I have to chew on some of this <laugh> yes. Yeah. Um, well now another thing I just, uh, we've got another minute or two is, uh, the notion of vibration. Now we really wanna get Kathy Martin pinned down on this when she's on in a few weeks. But uh, everybody says, uh, high vibration is good. Low vibration is not. And I I've always been kind of fuzzy on that. Uh, what exactly is it? That's vibrating
Speaker 5 00:50:44 Your whole body's vibrating. Yeah. I, I I've been studying that for years. No, if you're high vibration, everything's much better. If your low vibration it's like good and bad. If your low vibration is bad, if your high vibration is good, things are good. You know, you're healthy. You feel better. You, low vibration is, is, is bad stuff. Might be brown, good bad stuff. But high, high, clear crystal clear and good. Is it
Speaker 2 00:51:10 Like
Speaker 5 00:51:10 Molecules? A lot of books? Uh, no, no, just vibration. Like there's, there's a lot of books written. There's a lot of books written on the book. Tons.
Speaker 2 00:51:19 Yep. That's true.
Speaker 5 00:51:20 Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:51:21 Okay. Well Tom, give us your, uh, website one more time.
Speaker 5 00:51:27 Uh, uh, uh, uh, well, yeah, you know, I, I, I, I've got a yeah. Uh, uh, well,
Speaker 2 00:51:36 TOMM dongo.com.
Speaker 5 00:51:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tom, because that's, that's about it. I have a website. I, I haven't looked at it six months, so I don't even know what's on it.
Speaker 2 00:51:44 Yeah. Well, I'm sorry to say our main website is about 10 years outta date, but our show website behind the paranormal.com has a link to Tom's website. So you can all, that's always kept up to date. Well, Tom, what a great pleasure to have you finally, and we'll be Intel off the air and we'll do, uh, plan a few more shows on particularly the Bradshaw ranch, which is, uh, really a fascinating, uh, I heard about it all while I was down there. So
Speaker 5 00:52:12 Yeah. Well watch, watch who do tall. It it's a good one. You said 12,000 views in two days.
Speaker 2 00:52:18 Wow. Very good. That's on YouTube.
Speaker 5 00:52:21 Yeah. It's free on YouTube. Good. Good. My friends put it together. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:52:25 Okay, Tom. Well, thank you so much for being with us and we'll talk to you soon. Yeah,
Speaker 5 00:52:29 Yeah, yeah. Pleasure.
Speaker 2 00:52:31 Okay. So let's get to our announcements. Yes. Then if you would.
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