Speaker 1 00:00:08 Welcome to behind the paranormal with Paul and Ben Eno.
Speaker 2 00:00:15 What's the latest news from the world of ghost hunting. Is it all really about dead people? What's happening at the 2022 new England para Fest.
Speaker 3 00:00:24 Hello and welcome to the 400, sorry, 941st edition of behind the paranormal with Paul and Ben Eno coming to you from w O N am and FM radio here in wind socket, Rhode Island on the paranormal radio app from talk stream, live on YouTube and via tunein.com. I'm Ben and those spirited questions came from a co-host and partner in paranormal adventures and dad Paul. And today, uh, we helped launch the 2022 new England para Fest with a panel of speakers of the event, including our first in studio guests, and actually over two years, which is kind of impressive. So, so we, we have a couple of friends for you and if you'd like to start off dad.
Speaker 2 00:01:03 Okay, well, let's begin with Tom. Spitler the industrialist organizer of the para Fest. Tom, please introduce yourself and tell us what you are going. Be presenting at the
Speaker 4 00:01:12 Para Fest. Thank you guys for having me today. I'm Tom Spitler. I'm the founder of new England ghost project. Yeah, new England ghost for I'm half asleep. I fell asleep on the way here. Essex county. He goes project. I was with him long ago as I fall asleep and I started the new England EST seven years ago, we had a few breaks because of, you know, we had this virus funding around. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:01:33 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:01:34 Mind minor things like
Speaker 4 00:01:35 That, minor things, but we're a seventh year. So last year we were gonna have in the last minute, Maine said, no, you can't have it. None. My mind went to work two years of losing the, losing this pest, which is the main money maker for the, um, Hilldale cemetery in Hael Massachusetts, which I run and operate. I'm the board president and cleaning up.
Speaker 2 00:02:03 Not everybody gets to run a cemetery. No,
Speaker 4 00:02:06 No. Imagine that I'm running a I'm board president of a, of a, of a TV sta a PE access station in, in Massachusetts and run a cemetery. How lucky can I be?
Speaker 2 00:02:16 I'll tell you live
Speaker 4 00:02:17 A dream.
Speaker 3 00:02:17 That's the new England dream, as they say,
Speaker 4 00:02:20 <laugh>, I'm loving it. And so I said, we need to do something a little different outside the box. Let's think outside the box. So I started thinking, Hmm, maybe we're on a, a two week event. Hmm. That's a good idea. Let me get the guest speakers lined up then because of the holiday season, which is not that we can do about Easter Orthodox Easter.
Speaker 2 00:02:44 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:02:44 Yep. We had to make it an extra week so we could be here cause I didn't want any breaks. So we decided to go from April 9th to April 26th.
Speaker 2 00:02:55 Very good. Yeah. We've been promoing that. And
Speaker 4 00:02:58 Uh, and um, the big event weekend, we'll get to in a few minutes. Okay. That's with you, you guys and everybody else and Mike behind me, but uh, we kicked it off really yesterday. We had, uh, another great paranormal friend of all of us here. I think Tom Dino. Oh Tom. Yep. Yep. We showed the movie April morning. We did a free movie. Matney and Tom came in via Skype and talked about the ghost of Lexington and con he's probably one of the foremost investigators down in that area. Even though he doesn't live there, he knows more about it than anybody he lives
Speaker 2 00:03:35 In our listening area. He
Speaker 4 00:03:36 Lives down. Yeah. Yeah. So he was, we had a good turnout of that. We also had the psychic fair running this weekend as I'm here, there's a psychic fair running mm-hmm <affirmative> then, um, our good friends right down the street in Uck, Rhode Island are running an HP Lovecraft event. Yeah, the Johnson. And they asked yeah, the Johnsons, they have good friends. They asked if we could advertise with that. So we did very good out of that comes every next Saturday. Oh, uh, Friday the 15th will be a Hilldale cemetery for ghost hunt. Um, then next Saturday, the 16th, we'll be doing a movie mat a about Robert Rogers Northwest passage. It's a two hour movie. And we're gonna talk about the ghost of Robert at Rogers and who Robert Rogers was. Oh, it sounds like we got a local historian coming in, who is a, got a great degree in the background of the French Indian war, which Rogers fought in. And as we know, Rhode Island was the hub of the French Indian war. Yeah. I pretty much Southeastern and Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 00:04:37 Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:04:38 And, uh, that would be myself come and in to speak. And then, um, we got the ghost at the, at the, uh, Hannah, Dustin Garrison house, Um, next Saturday night. And then, uh, we got one on the 21st and then we got a Mo movie matinee with the, my TV shows.
Speaker 2 00:05:02 There we go.
Speaker 4 00:05:03 And we got a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 2 00:05:05 Sounds great. Well, we'll, we'll review it as, uh, as we go through the show. Yes. Uh, now I also want to introduce, uh, someone who just arrived, our good friend, Matt. Monice
Speaker 5 00:05:14 How we doing guys?
Speaker 2 00:05:15 Well, better than enough. Why don't you, what, tell us a bit about yourself and, uh, what you're gonna be doing at the para Fest
Speaker 5 00:05:20 Mat. All right. I've been a scientist for the past 30 years. I'm also a science advisor to the radio show, spooky south coast. I've been doing that for about going on 17 years now. Wow. Yeah. Um, my involvement and this, uh, event is going to be talking about, uh, alien options and in particular with a particular case that actually directly involves me and another Abdu P one of the star born twins. We're gonna be talking about our particular case and how we basically ran into
Speaker 2 00:05:59 Each other would be Debbie hu by any chance,
Speaker 5 00:06:01 Why that it would be
Speaker 2 00:06:03 Okay. Very good. Another good friend. We all know each other. We all know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, uh, certainly one of our dearest friends, uh, Mike Stevens is, is coming to us via Skype from the beautiful state of New Hampshire. And, uh, you look like you're out your natural habitat there, Mike.
Speaker 3 00:06:20 Oh, up your mic's muted.
Speaker 2 00:06:22 You gotta unmute unmute your mic Mike
Speaker 3 00:06:25 Up one more time. Muted. There you go. All
Speaker 6 00:06:28 Right. Yeah. Pretty close to it.
Speaker 2 00:06:31 We got it.
Speaker 3 00:06:33 So tell us a little bit about yourself, Mike.
Speaker 6 00:06:35 Um, so I'm Mike, I'm a big experience. I run a group that supports other experiences and at the conference, I'm going to be talking, um, more so not about my experience about cause experiences and ABD, duck, teeth as Matt. I'm sure it can chime right in, uh, you know, it's not just when it's happening, we have to deal with this every day of our life. So I'm gonna touch on more the hardships of that.
Speaker 2 00:07:00 Okay. Good. Well, let's uh, we have a couple of questions from listeners and we have our own questions. Let's um, start with something very basic. Uh, Ben, why don't you, well, let me see. <laugh> okay. No, we're, as I say, these are our first in studio guests for two years. So we'll start with Tom. We're
Speaker 4 00:07:19 A little anxious.
Speaker 3 00:07:21 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:07:22 We're making history today. Haven't Matt.
Speaker 3 00:07:24 I know.
Speaker 2 00:07:25 So, Tom, um, what, how would, would you define this or at least explain the current state of paranormal research from your point of view,
Speaker 4 00:07:36 The current state of paranormal research? Well, I didn't take any time off, but I know some teams did during the pandemic, a lot of teams did. We kept going, we had cases straight
Speaker 2 00:07:49 Through we, we slowed down.
Speaker 4 00:07:50 Yeah. We had cases straight through, even as far as going out to Western mass and the Burkes. So we were going and um, it's now back up and there's been the good news is some of the teams that did slow down, get some research done. There's some great stuff out there.
Speaker 2 00:08:08 Interesting.
Speaker 4 00:08:09 All right. On some of the stuff and I actually slowed down enough. We did slow down that I was able to start researching something that was near and dear to me,
Speaker 2 00:08:18 Which was what,
Speaker 4 00:08:20 Um, something that I've coined new on some of my own shows called the Cano a triangle.
Speaker 2 00:08:26 Oh right. Yes.
Speaker 4 00:08:27 You were. It's a section in ha. And it actually goes from the New Hampshire border through Bradford, like this from main street in Haal on an angle. It's not really a triangle, but you know, you got it.
Speaker 2 00:08:41 Well, that's a research tool. We,
Speaker 4 00:08:42 We, we exactly, and it goes into Mack, Massachusetts, where there's been dozens of UFO paranormal. It's into the witier land area. If anyone's familiar with John Greenleaf witty and what road it's near the witty birthplace, uh, county bridge road, the haunted county bridge road, we've done it. We were able to go out there and what I was able to do, because it slowed down was started Tom live show. And that's how I got into, oh, wow. Look at all this. And then I looked at some of my old case files going then I grabbed the, a map and went pink, pink, pink, and went, wow. Look at this cluster.
Speaker 2 00:09:18 <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:09:19 Right, right. Whoa. And then it also towards the end of the pandemic, other states, other places around me were starting to come out and a good friend of mine. Um, Bob McDermot, I was, I have two friends with the same last name. Not really get him confused all the time. Yeah. Because
Speaker 2 00:09:37 Of my
Speaker 4 00:09:37 Joe, he's involved in sand down and all of a sudden we go up and help him out at the sand down meeting house, the sand down train station, cuz he needed Essex. County's help. We go in a fundraiser over there and we start getting calls over there. We bring in another team from out that way and come to find that we start knocking heads and going, wow, look at this, area's loaded with stuff. And then you take all the stuff that's already been published that we've been able to research. And you got a train line that goes from Redding through New Hampshire, out to the New Hampshire. Seaco with a ton of stuff going on in those lines. So we've been able to find a lot of things cause we've been able to slow down instead of me answering the phone 24 hours a day going okay, we're off to another case.
Speaker 2 00:10:25 I wanna move on to Matt, Mike. But first we have a special guest in the studio today to Sarah, who is your case manager? Sarah, why don't you introduce yourself? I need to put you on the spot. Expect to be on the air today, but it's
Speaker 7 00:10:38 All right. I'm the case manager. I'm also the web designer for desex county ghost project. I do a to show in ha with Tom on HC media Mabel desex county ghost project. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:10:48 So, all right, well, so let, let's go with the same question to Mike. Uh, what's the current state of paranormal research. I'm talking about UFOs too, the whole, the whole, the whole kettle of, uh, horses there. So go ahead.
Speaker 6 00:11:03 Um, I mean I think paranormal, stuff's probably kind of going on as usual, uh, the UFO stuff's getting a little more mixed up cuz the government's, you know, releasing documents and this and that. And everybody's kind of up at TIS on that. It's really no new information for anybody studied this. I, I think it's another public relations thing, like a project blue book or something personally, But yeah.
Speaker 2 00:11:29 Okay. Matt, what's your take on what's going on in the field right now and is it going anywhere or back in the 19th century or what? Well
Speaker 5 00:11:37 Paranormal re search, if your trucking ghost has been going on since we've had campfires, that's our first form of communication. That's our first stories. And they were generally shared as, you know, a metaphor to not do this and pay attention to that, you know, as a social construct, as a teaching tool, but we know modern day, we're using more technology and all the technology that people use today for go hunting is just to augment natural senses. You use cameras because the cameras can see in spectrums of light that your eyes can't use recorders, cuz they can hear frequencies your ears. Can't various other sensors to replace skin, you know, for EMF. So you're feeling the tingling on the body. They even have, um, ion sensors like your nose works and if yourt a ghost, you got issues, but
Speaker 2 00:12:35 <laugh>
Speaker 5 00:12:36 But the point being is that all of the equipment they're using is just augmenting, you know, your natural senses. And that's what people did with paranormal research and go back to, you know, the ghost societies that started in London and Europe, it was just the personal experiences to people had and that's still continuing on today. We just got better ways to record it now.
Speaker 2 00:13:00 Well, I'm a speaker too, so all mild off. Um, obviously I'm, you know, coho to the show almost 14 years now and uh, uh, at the para Fest, uh, which we always look forward to every year when there is a year's. Yes. Uh, I'm gonna be talking about working with ed Lorraine Warren. Now a lot of people worked with, excuse me, ed, Lorraine, Warren, uh, of the conjuring fame bigger. Pardon? Uh, the, um, I don't think there's as anybody around her, too many people around who worked as early as I did with them. Uh that's through most of the, um, um, early and mid 1970s when they weren't really well, well known out outside Connecticut and I was a Connecticut kid. So, uh, you know, I'll be explaining how I met up with them and some of the interesting things that happened and that's what I'll be doing at the paras down the 23rd.
Speaker 2 00:13:57 Oh dear fun. Getting old. Isn't it Ben? Oh yeah. So, uh, as far as the, the state of paranormal research, I tend to be rather a doubter about a lot of things, including disclosure. Oh yeah. You know, we'll be Ben and I are on a lot of panel we're we're often have to speak at the UFO conferences conferences. As a matter of fact, I'm one of the three paranormal people now with MoveOn, uh, the, their, uh, experience, their research team. And uh, we'll be on panels and you know, and our learned colleagues will say, oh, disclosure are gonna come next year. The government's gonna tell us everything's they know about UFOs and they get to us. And we say right, show of hands, who believes what the government says and the whole audience groans. And, and I said, you know, if they release anything, uh, it'll be inaccurate or wrong or at least, or at least incomplete because, uh, that that's, you know, I had intelligence training in the military and that that's that wasn't, didn't my clearance.
Speaker 2 00:15:00 Wasn't very high. But you do pick up a few tips that, uh, you know, you don't tell people anything, you give them false information from, uh, accurate sources and vice versa, keep everybody guessing. And everybody loves a mystery. So I, I have a lot of doubts about that. As far as the ghost hunting, uh, techniques and methods. I kind of threw up my hands a long time ago because, um, we, although there are exceptions now, I think that there's a method toward, um, uh, the madness in the sense that people are starting to consider like quantum entanglement, uh, perpendicular time streams, um, Everett, universes, things of this kind. And, and we've had, we have, uh, eminent PhDs on the show all the time who agree with us physicists. And I think, uh, we need to move on from the 19th century and to Tom gets an E R from me on this all the time. And, and we need to, um, you know, get, get real and get into the 21st century and start looking at at ghosts and everything from that point of view where there's no such thing as death, he can't have dead people. And, and I was on the air one time with Jason Haws, from ghosts to owners. And, uh, I don't really know him. He's from Rhode Island that that's, that's a, a feat in itself, not knowing somebody else's from Rhode Island, right?
Speaker 3 00:16:20 Yeah, exactly. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:16:21 Yeah. So, but I, I, I had to, I was rather impressed with him. It wasn't on this show it's assumption. It was his show actually. And, uh, he was talking about a case in a hotel where quote, unquote, ghost kept asking if they were from security. So I mean, talking about quantum tangle and parallel worlds, I mean, that, that, that was very interesting. So he, he's an open-minded guy. I respect that.
Speaker 3 00:16:42 It's terrifying if you can't see security though.
Speaker 2 00:16:45 Uh, right. Especially that. So, so that's all I'll say on that. And, um, uh, we can move on sort of to, um, uh, what qualifications should someone have to research anything in this field, Tom?
Speaker 4 00:17:01 Well, my background is, I'm a historian, I'm a trained historian, so I've been doing research. And
Speaker 2 00:17:07 So you find stuff about all my relatives here.
Speaker 4 00:17:09 Yeah. I'm not the trained historian that goes online and goes Google search. I use books and I use their sources and real source back and source back and resource back because you learn through the years on Google or any of those, even family gen websites that anybody can change anything. Yeah. I mean, so you gotta have some type of background in some been knowing the knowledge of research and everything else I've just learned is I've gone along pretty much. I mean, it's, it is what it is. I mean, you just keep reading books and educating yourself and looking into interesting things and reading books would open mind cuz some books are good. <laugh> yeah. Others, well,
Speaker 2 00:17:55 Others, uh, door stops maybe, right?
Speaker 4 00:17:57 Others are like, well, it's just like in history, everyone loves, I love reading history books. We'll make this quick. I love reading town, history books. I'm not talking, I'm talking the like,
Speaker 3 00:18:10 Yeah. The meeting minutes from the town council meeting. Right.
Speaker 4 00:18:12 You know, <laugh> what people would call boring. Now some people do they go get these great postcard history books and they think that's all the history. They're great to look at. They're great for pitches, but they don't tell you much.
Speaker 2 00:18:25 Right. Right.
Speaker 5 00:18:26 They're cliff notes. They're
Speaker 4 00:18:27 Cliff. Yes. Yes. They're cliff notes. Yeah. You can't learn, you can't do research off of cliff notes.
Speaker 2 00:18:32 Right? Mm-hmm <affirmative> so Mike, uh, I'm sorry. Are you finished on? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Mike, um, what qualifications do you think a researcher should have? Should, should they be being an experience or two?
Speaker 6 00:18:46 Not necessarily. It certainly helps. I mean, you've gotta to be open minded. Al is such a weird field that it's based around like the top, you know, handful of cases that everybody knows, and you can get a room full of experiences and learn more about ufology in an hour than, you know, anybody's talking about. So I, I think actually listening to the people who are who've experienced it just cuz it doesn't fit into what you think you know it should or should is always worth. No. Especially when it starts popping up again.
Speaker 2 00:19:20 Well, there you go. Yes. Uh, it's funny though that, um, well I'm, we're all dying here. Sorry.
Speaker 3 00:19:29 Uh it's that time of year you, it is.
Speaker 2 00:19:31 Yes,
Speaker 3 00:19:31 It is. Allergy season is upon us ladies and gentle.
Speaker 5 00:19:33 Also. You don't want to inhale water, right?
Speaker 3 00:19:36 No, no, you don't definitely don't wanna do that. Well, right.
Speaker 2 00:19:38 I'll go first and let you recover from
Speaker 5 00:19:40 The no, I'm good.
Speaker 2 00:19:41 Okay. All right. So what do you feel are the qualifications map
Speaker 5 00:19:44 For anybody? As both of them said, the first thing you have to have as an open month without that, then you're, you're already setting yourself up for failure because if you don't have an open mind, you're gonna constantly stub your toe. As you research, you gotta be able to be both historian scientist. And, and in a lot of cases you have to be, um, a good listener first off, cuz whenever you're dealing with people, you have to be able to listen to them, let them finish what they want to say. Try not to coach them in into what you want them to say, listen to the story in its pure form from the horse's mouth, you can go digging into to what they said in interpreting it later. But the first thing you gotta do is let them get the story out. Okay. And then from there other people with open minds can make up their, their decision about what the data is as a scientist. I like to see all the data when you start cutting the pieces out of it, because well that doesn't fit what I think then that's no longer research that's propaganda.
Speaker 2 00:21:00 He has to meet Lori. Oh yeah. Our, our cast producer was also a behavioral science. That data, we need the data, you know it's right.
Speaker 5 00:21:10 So is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Speaker 2 00:21:11 It's a good thing. Okay. Yeah, she wouldn't hurt you. Um, so just from what
Speaker 5 00:21:16 If I pay her,
Speaker 2 00:21:18 Uh, well she's about to retire. She might need it
Speaker 5 00:21:20 <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:21:21 And giving her a raise in two years. So in, in any case, uh, I, I think that, um, uh, qualifications, you know, you very often hear the, the bios of all the big like ghost huntings and stuff. Well, I grew up in a haunted house. I mean, that's great maybe, but I mean your father could have been a brain surgery and your mother, your mother could have been, uh, you know, in, into, uh, some sort of, uh, operating, you know, room procedures or something and some kind of surgeon, but that doesn't mean you can do it yourself. So, uh, and you can do things wrong all your life and think you're doing it. Right. So, I mean, I think the qualifications ought to be, as everyone has said before, should involve ability to research an open mind, but also a healthy skepticism too. Yeah. You know, but an honest one and, and a realization that we know nothing about our world ourselves really, and we have to have what our Aristo call the top of lo Raza, the empty slate. And you write on it as best you can. That's the best you can do. What's a motto of this show. Everything, you know, is wrong include well.
Speaker 5 00:22:29 So you touched on a good topic. Skepticism people don't understand the difference between skepticism and cynicism.
Speaker 2 00:22:38 Mm-hmm right. Yeah. That's
Speaker 5 00:22:39 True. Okay. A lot of, you know, the, the skeptics aren't really skeptics they're cynics mm-hmm yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:22:47 I, I can name you a few.
Speaker 5 00:22:48 Oh, I meant you
Speaker 2 00:22:50 Recognized.
Speaker 5 00:22:50 Yeah. But I mean, to be skeptical of some somebody, or, or something is to question the possibility to outright just deny its ability that, that, that stupid, that stupidity in a purest form. I, it can't be because I don't, or you're limiting other people because of your limitations.
Speaker 2 00:23:17 Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:23:18 The, the other thing you need to do is you need to study a little behaviorism too, cuz we've had a few cases where we'll be very professional was very nice. There was no paranormal activity. It was all manifested. Uh
Speaker 2 00:23:35 Oh, we've all run into that.
Speaker 4 00:23:37 <laugh>
Speaker 5 00:23:38 Yeah,
Speaker 4 00:23:39 It was, it's sad to say it was manifested.
Speaker 2 00:23:41 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:23:42 You know,
Speaker 5 00:23:43 Either to mental, uh, limitations or to substance,
Speaker 2 00:23:49 Uh, Mike, any for any comments on that subject before we, uh, get onto our break?
Speaker 6 00:23:54 Um, no, I think it's pretty much what we've all been repeating. It's, you know, sometimes you have to let them get the story out, but it's not necessarily what they say. It's how they say it and then you have to, you know, right. Yeah. Kind of depict it from there.
Speaker 2 00:24:08 That's true. Where are you? Anyway? You, you look, uh, for those who were not watching on the, uh, video stream here, uh, Mike is uh, out in his natural habitat there, uh, he knows New Hampshire. I'm sure like the back of his hand, as they say,
Speaker 6 00:24:21 Oh, this is just actually a little, it'll dry up. And it's just a little swamp pond. That's looking very lake like at the moment <laugh> off that.
Speaker 2 00:24:30 Very
Speaker 3 00:24:30 Good. Well, it's got the New Hampshire aesthetics and that's what matters it
Speaker 2 00:24:33 Does. It does. Well, Ben, why don't we take our break a little early and we'll get on to, uh, some, uh, listener questions here. You're listening to behind the paranormal with Paul and Benino on w oh and 12:40 AM and 99 5 by them in new England's beautiful Blackstone river valley with our great guest panel today, we'll be right back. So stay with us.
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Speaker 2 00:25:26 Hey and welcome back to behind the paranormal with Paul and Benino on w O N radio. And we are with our great guest panel today. We have Tom spit. Larry, we have Matt Monis and we have Mike Steven. So let's go under, don't
Speaker 4 00:25:40 Forget the legend Paul.
Speaker 2 00:25:41 Well, everybody knows me. I'm kind of a part of the furniture around here. So Ben, if you would, uh, take care of this. This is, uh, from Peter Shelly, who was one of our guest cohos, occasionally, uh he's from, uh, Bogota, Columbia. And so questions from south of the
Speaker 3 00:25:56 Board still haven't thought of a catchy nickname for Peter yet something alliterated um,
Speaker 2 00:26:00 Just don't make him mad.
Speaker 3 00:26:01 Pervasive, Peter. There we go. What? Nah, yeah, I'll keep trying, um, about profound Peter VBar thank it. So found Peter writes to us what are a couple of interesting cases, uh, from the book time storms in which, uh, may not have been heard of before?
Speaker 2 00:26:18 Okay. Well, well that, that's kind of, uh, out of, uh, south America, um, time storms and bears. Some explanation time storms is a, a term invented by two of the people I, one of the pre people I considered real hero was in this field. One of whom is Jacque valet. And the one who invented the term is, uh, Jenny Randalls, the great British researcher for many, many years. Um, I know Jacque, I don't know Jenny, I'm sorry to say. But time storms is a phenomenon that she identified in the number of cases. Uh, and that when I ran into the term, I, I recognized from cases going back all the way to the seventies and the, I didn't know there was a name for it. <affirmative> and what essentially they are, are, um, areas or, uh, phenomena in, in which you, you, you probably don't want to go into this, but I mean, literally cuz they're cloud-like formations and myths and things like this, uh, that will do funny things with space and time.
Speaker 2 00:27:24 Uh, I, I don't know if we have time to get into specific cases from the book, but I can tell you cases that, that, that happened to us that, uh, reminded me of these. Um, and one I've been working with I'm working with right now in Florida in the Bridgeport Poulter guy's case of ninth 74, there was sort of a mist in the kitchen when, when four, these four entities that I considered parasites, every thought they were demons, I suppose it's the same thing really, uh, except for the theological baggage came out of and went back into, uh, in one of the cases in, in, in, uh, Jenny Randall's book, time storms, uh, it happened in Mongolia and people were kinda like on safari there and, uh, they looked up and there was this, uh, this mist and they can be of different colors and sometimes, uh, uh, UFOs will come under, be other lights, things of this kind.
Speaker 2 00:28:22 And they, people would feel electrical, tingle all over their bodies. They would feel, um, timeless as though time had stopped and, uh, things would happen that they would see sometimes various creatures. They didn't recognize from this world. They would sometimes see, uh, O other people who weren't there, uh, things of this kind, but, and they would come out of it and would've lost or gained several hours or in some cases several days. So all the cases different, but, but the commonalities are, uh, this sort of Misty thing, uh, when cars are involved, a gravity can be suspended. The, the car will float in the air and, and then, then come down and in some cases, so it's really quite remarkable. And I said, my gosh, actually, I haven't seen any floating cars lately, but I mean that there have been, uh, cases where we've had this sort of Misty thing. I'm think the most recent one being in 2019. And we might refer you to our show, the video from our show, uh, May 25th, 2019, which was the, the, uh, the night after a bunch of us witnessed this, including Alexander Peikoff, Shane Seaway, and, uh, Charles credo from the Secco sauces of new England. We were all down and work in the Pennsylvania case. Ben unfortunately was up here. I was, I was in trying, trying to put together the two hour special for the next
Speaker 3 00:29:43 I was in my natural habitat, which is right here, right,
Speaker 2 00:29:47 Mr. Producer. And so, uh, we, we saw a, just that sort of a cloud, uh, up in the sky. And sometimes they've seen in the, had it been on the ground, we might have had even more adventures, but there was an object that came out of it when then went back into it at the end. And we got this whole thing on video and that video's available on YouTube on the, uh, behind the paranormal with pollen Benino channel. So, uh, all these things, uh, were to me, time storms or potential time storms. So that's, uh, now, now I would add anybody else on the panel here. Have you ever run into anything like that, Tom?
Speaker 4 00:30:26 Well, that's the first time I've ever heard that terminology?
Speaker 2 00:30:29 Well, the lady Florida I'm working with and this, she had never heard it's happened to her all the time. She never heard the terminology either.
Speaker 4 00:30:36 There been times that my home,
Speaker 10 00:30:39 My second old Hilldale cemetery, which <inaudible> where we've lost
Speaker 4 00:30:45 Time lost plenty of time down there. Um, one day we did a Tom live show on county road. And now what I call the Keno triangle, we had done a couple different Tom live shows there. All of a sudden we had spider web. You were with us that they spiderwebs felt over us <affirmative> and all of a sudden we were live, but nothing went out, live, nothing went out, live off. We used the iPad, nothing went out, no audio, no visual, no visual, no nothing. Hmm. And we like, we, we thought we were in there for a short time and we got out there and went, well, we know what time we left our cars at went, oh, it's a little later than we thought
Speaker 5 00:31:24 <laugh> did the iPad actually record
Speaker 11 00:31:27 Thought we were recording. Nothing, nothing, nothing transmitted at
Speaker 5 00:31:30 All. Nothing transmitted, nothing recorded, nothing at
Speaker 11 00:31:34 All.
Speaker 4 00:31:35 Hmm. Cause she was running the iPad. I do the talking, she was running the iPad. And I had my case manager, not case manager, tech manager there. And he had some, he even had an incident happen there where he went filming in that tunnel that he used to go to. Who's my case. Uh, my tech manager.
Speaker 2 00:31:54 Who's
Speaker 4 00:31:55 That tunnel. No, no, no. The one in,
Speaker 11 00:31:58 Um,
Speaker 4 00:31:59 He was in there. Anyhow. He lost track of there's a, dam's a wait in west Massa. No. So I'm 4 95 in Massachusetts. All
Speaker 2 00:32:07 Right. Well it's all
Speaker 4 00:32:08 It would come to me later on, but he lost track of time. He thought he was only in there for 15 minutes and he was in there all for a lot longer than that.
Speaker 2 00:32:16 That's not uncommon
Speaker 4 00:32:17 Now. I never knew the official cuz I'm the young guy in the paranormal here compared to you guys exp you know,
Speaker 2 00:32:24 Thanks a lot
Speaker 4 00:32:24 Years. And then are
Speaker 5 00:32:26 You saying
Speaker 4 00:32:26 I'm old? No, I'm just saying, are you saying guys doing old I'm
Speaker 3 00:32:29 Old?
Speaker 4 00:32:30 <laugh> no I'm experienced. Yes. I'm the oldest guy in the room,
Speaker 2 00:32:37 Whatever. Okay. Mike, uh, you ever running into that sort of thing or heard about it in New Hampshire or anywhere else?
Speaker 6 00:32:45 Yeah, I've had it a few times myself, which I I'd more linked, uh, with the UFOs type stuff, but kind of more like what they're talking about. Uh, I'd say in real time, which obviously up for question here is we were going down the highway once and this car was coming up behind us way too fast, had lost a tire was going. It was like right next to us, swerving into us. It was gonna hit us. We like closed our eyes and Braze and somehow we got like two car length ahead of this. By the time we opened our eyes, everything was fine for us. Um, but so that's the only, like other than just having big blocks of missing time without an answer that I've experienced.
Speaker 2 00:33:28 Yeah. You could be getting into a subject that we refer to with the cheering title of quantum death. But anyway, that's for another show, Matt, everyone into this, uh, time storm thing.
Speaker 5 00:33:39 Uh, actually yes, on a number of different occasions. Now Jenny Randall wrote a book with, uh, co author dot street about the, um, Randall sh forest incident. And if you're familiar with the, with that particular incident, there was myth involved with the craft and other people reported distorted time experiences in that whole series of events. So we know in UFO literature that this is a common occurrence, it's also similar, uh, type of occurrences with certain paranormal events go I ghost type of things. A lot of people seeing the ghostly MIS and people lose track of where they are. And in some cases people have been, you know, it was like, I was back in that time when this was at a heyday when I was looking at this apparition, it it's also, interestingly, if you, uh, look up guy by the name of Steve, if stall, who does the website, how to hunt, he gets tons and tons of people reporting Bigfoot things. And that's another thing that's been, uh, floated out by people, you know, Bigfoot and this Misty portal steps in and out of. So this MIS in time and things is something that's common through all of the unexplained. Hmm. That's
Speaker 2 00:35:07 Actually a good point. A very good point. I'm thinking of the flap areas as we call, but we investigate, you have, uh, we call 'em, you know, intersect points over washes. You wanna call 'em portals.
Speaker 5 00:35:19 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:35:19 Yeah. You know, that, that thing we saw in Pennsylvania, you that cloudlike thing, the thing was coming out of it, going into it. And uh, I mean, was that sort of a portal or, or, or that sort of thing and a skid Walker ranch, the whole, that whole scenario.
Speaker 5 00:35:33 Well, I'm looking at it from a science view. Okay. Yeah. You're you got energy, energy creates either heat or cold, depending upon which way you're using it. Our atmosphere is filled with lots of moisture. So you get a condensate. So MIS would form in, in that particular situation, is it steam or is it condensate? It would be a form of steam. If heat degenerated, it would be condensation if there's the event, horizon is cold. So it's conforming
Speaker 2 00:36:05 To physics. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 00:36:07 So what's causing it. That's what's up for debate.
Speaker 2 00:36:11 Interesting point. Oh, we have a second question from, uh, what we call profound people. It was
Speaker 4 00:36:15 The Clinton tunnel that happened into my, uh, technology.
Speaker 2 00:36:18 Okay. Clinton tunnel. All right. So stay out of the Clinton tunnel. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:36:22 Well fortunately, dad, you actually answered, well, you all really effectively answered the next question, which was, has anybody ever run into it?
Speaker 2 00:36:28 Oh, well look at that. Right.
Speaker 3 00:36:30 Wow. It's like, we do this for a living.
Speaker 2 00:36:31 Peter's a psychic powers are, uh, pretty cool today. Yes. Uh, now here's something a little bit different. Uh, this is also Peter was from a different show that we never got to. So
Speaker 3 00:36:43 As it goes,
Speaker 2 00:36:43 Peter, your honorary co
Speaker 3 00:36:46 Uh, so Peter writes to us, uh, considering we answer your second question unintentionally. Um, I would like everyone to comment on this, please do the prophecies of such people like Nore, Doro, Berger, uh, ed, you see, and others predict the current terrible situation. Or maybe you should put parenthesis situations.
Speaker 2 00:37:04 Yeah. They multiplied since he wrote that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Uh, Tom,
Speaker 4 00:37:13 I wouldn't know how to answer that one, to
Speaker 2 00:37:15 Be honest. Well, that's an honest answer. Really? Mike
Speaker 12 00:37:18 <affirmative>
Speaker 2 00:37:20 What do you think of DRO nower Adams and those guys? Sarah, do you have any thoughts? Just <laugh>
Speaker 13 00:37:27 I don't really have a response.
Speaker 6 00:37:30 I think it's hard to pick. Cause once you overlay any fact that's happened over something else, it, you know, there's so much room for interpretation of that's what it meant. I do believe some people can predict certain things, but to say it's everybody who has is right. Is a different story.
Speaker 2 00:37:49 Well, yeah. Yeah. That's a good point, Matt. Let's say,
Speaker 5 00:37:52 Um, it's not really a prediction if you're talking about things that happen regularly in history, right? Oh, there's going to be a war. There's going to be a famine. There's going to be a flood. Anybody can be an no Damas at that point. Yeah. You know what separates some of these individuals like Casey and no Damas is they were giving time periods in which this is going to occur. But again, on average, a war happens at least with us every 20 years with the United States. But you know, there's always constantly a war going on. There's always constantly weather events happening and you know, these type of things. So their predictions are right. But it, it's not really a prediction. If it's a common thing that's always happening. That's my view.
Speaker 2 00:38:42 That's very sensible. Well, the whole thing with NA Domus, I mean, I'm sure he was a nice fellow, but I mean, what good is it, if you only tell what happens when you look back on, on the alleged prediction. Now what's interesting with him is that, um, and I'm gonna get into this. When I talk about the, the working with the warrants, uh, at the para Fest, the notion of demon. Now we hear demon, we go, oh wow. You know, and, uh, you know, I get that rightly so, but there was an ancient idea of the Damon as it were. Uh, and everybody says, well, you know, Socrates said he had one Plato and there was a notion that we all it's really though the notion of the guardian angel. There's always been a notion that we have, we have like a, whether you call a higher self or whatever, and the term Damon da one by the Greeks was applied to that.
Speaker 2 00:39:39 And, uh, the Christian Church bless its a little heart in the, in the beginning would tend to demonize things that, you know, it even became a verb, uh, that, that they found threatening. So the whole notion of having, uh, somebody else to help you beside to them, uh, they didn't like that. So the whole thing got totally demonized and made to, to be evil and this kind of thing. And uh, the Warrens kind of obviously, and everybody else kind of jumped on that. And that's, that was the, uh, theory by which they operated. And, um, I was a pain in the neck cuz I didn't, I question everything and ed would look at me sometimes, you know, it's a matter with you.
Speaker 5 00:40:21 I wouldn't question things that shows a sign of an intelligent mind
Speaker 2 00:40:25 Or at least a curious mind. Yeah. Well hopefully yeah. So, but anyway, that that's, uh, for another day, so, um, we're not out time yet, but I want to get everybody a chance to talk about their websites, where people can find out more and especially about the para Fest. Huh.
Speaker 4 00:40:43 All right. You can go to Essex county, ghost, project.org, find out everything about the para Fest. It's right. Updated. It's more updated than this packet is actually, uh, cause I just have time to print another one out, but it is totally updated with everything going on on April 9th, all the way to April 26th, including the great weekend coming up, which Matt and you guys are gonna be speaking April 22nd, 23rd, 24th. Mm-hmm <affirmative> in Kittery
Speaker 2 00:41:07 Kid, Maine. Very good. Uh, Matt, how about yourself?
Speaker 5 00:41:11 I, you can always find [email protected]
I've also started a, uh, podcast video podcast with, um, Tom Reed. Uh oh cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's called uh, Innerspace TV. We prerecord, you know, interviews with people and then we we're collecting a bunch of 'em right now. We've already done like 10 episodes with people and we just did one recently, uh, with Tracy tome and we're gonna be uploading that. Um, you can go interspace tv.com and I'm obviously going to be speaking at the power Fest mm-hmm <affirmative> working on all kinds of as always,
Speaker 2 00:41:54 Well, give our best too to Tim Weisberg. Uh, I shall good friend at his show. Spooky south coast is I think the only show in new England's older than this one. And I think I was his second guest when he first came out here. So, um, so Mike, uh, what, what say you, where can people find out more about you grand sky services,
Speaker 6 00:42:14 Uh, green sky.org or green sky services on Facebook.
Speaker 2 00:42:19 Very good. And what, what exactly does granite sky services do?
Speaker 6 00:42:23 Um, we basically, um, help other experiences work through, um, their experiences and day to day lives after that. Um, I like group meetings more so cuz it there's so many angles to this and there's so much to learn and just knowing you're not alone really helps people.
Speaker 2 00:42:42 Well, one of the things too that we should discuss is is what do you mean by what do we mean by an experiencer now years ago, somebody walked up to me at one of the first, first paranormal conferences we did and said, uh, or UFO conferences. Are, are you an experiencer? And assuming that it meant you had to be abducted by little gray men. I said, no, not that I know of, but some but Kathy Martin of all people turned around and said, what are you talking about with your last book? Has all these experiences with the, you know, paranormal events, times stuff and all this, of course you're an experiencer. So I said, oh yeah, I guess that's true. So how, how would you define, define an experiencer? Is it someone who, who thinks they've had some kind of experience or who's sure of it or, or what would say U Tom?
Speaker 4 00:43:30 Well, I think you don't, I mean, I've never actually, I mean I've woken up thinking I've been taking abducted, everything else. I've talked to Mike about this, I've talked to Audrey and Debbie about this two through the years. Cause I've known them for years. Um, I've experienced stuff in the U in the paranormal almost been thrown out a window once or twice in my life. I've channeled a few things in my life. So yeah. I would think if you've channeled things, seen things, you'd be an experiencer.
Speaker 2 00:44:01 Yeah. Think. Does Sarah have any thought on that?
Speaker 14 00:44:03 No. I'm thinking in terms of being pushed and seeing things.
Speaker 2 00:44:08 Yeah, it get closer to the mic.
Speaker 7 00:44:10 Oh no. I'm being pushed. I know. I, I didn't up getting hurt.
Speaker 2 00:44:13 Nobody like to be pushed around.
Speaker 7 00:44:16 No, I don't think it wanted me there, but yeah. I randomly seeing things.
Speaker 2 00:44:19 Okay. So, uh, Mike, I mean, you've uh, talked a lot about experiences and you are one. What say does it, what constitutes an experience?
Speaker 6 00:44:34 Well, I mean, I think Matt will agree. I know he he's really, uh, pretty good on his terms that, that, you know, an experiencer and induc are different things to me, even if you've only seen a UFO, but it was so life changing. So it profound and shook your whole world via, I think you're still an experiencer.
Speaker 2 00:44:53 Oh, okay. Matt.
Speaker 5 00:44:55 Uh, I agree. Um, experiencer is a term for people that have had some sort of encounter okay. From experience or you can segregate into various UFO field. Okay. Experie it's in a UFO field, you can be an abductee who is an unwilling victim. You can be a contactee, which is a person that's sought out or works with UFOs. And then you have, uh, a general catchall category of experience or where it's somebody that still trying to figure out what's going on. So you have the spectrum from one part to another, but they all fall under experience or category.
Speaker 2 00:45:40 Now, one of the interesting points, uh, is that, um, there are many big names in researchers in the paranormal or UFO field or both who our experiences, but don't admit it. Yes. You know, uh, I'm thinking the only exception I can think of is Stanton Friedman. Uh, the great, uh, the late great UFO, uh, sort of really the, the Dean of the field who, um, and we asked him, he was on the show. Many times we knew him personally. He wrote the full over for one of our books. So we knew him pretty well. And he, he said, one time, he'd never even seen the UFO. One time. He was at a speaking at a conference and the people were yelling outside to come out. By the time he got there was gone and talk about frustrating. But, uh, as far as I know, he never experienced anything, but, but other people and that Kathy Martin, dear friend of ours just, just wrote a book, um, about her experiences.
Speaker 2 00:46:39 And so, you know, you get to a certain age. I know this and my, my last book is stuff I never wanted to write about. I hated writing it, but I figured, you know, nobody's gonna ever know about it. You know, I, you know, go, uh, bye. And you know, they're never right about it. So there are a lot of people who, um, our experiences and won't admit it now, why won't they admit it? They feel they work with experiences every day, but they still admit that, that they feel their credibility will be hurt if they themselves are experiences. I suppose if the psychiatrist is himself or herself schizophrenic, that we not do much for their reputation. So I mean, that's probably a bad, uh, analogy, but nevertheless,
Speaker 5 00:47:20 Well, some of the best people that help out with, you know, say like rape cases have been through those experiences themselves. So it, it is a form of like being able to identify with the people you're trying to help that that makes the best type of support because you understand.
Speaker 2 00:47:38 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That's true. All right. Um, we have a few more minutes. I think probably, um, the question of the science will, is the paranormal catching up with the science or do you think science needs to catch up with the paranormal? Uh, Matt, you look like you are pensive about that question.
Speaker 5 00:47:59 Well, I am, I, I reflect back to what Einstein said, you know, uh, he, and I'll paraphrase it basical all the mysterious and unexplained is eventually accepted once it changes its name to science. Once we understand it. So
Speaker 2 00:48:19 Well, as we always say, today's paranormal is tomorrow science science.
Speaker 5 00:48:22 Correct?
Speaker 2 00:48:23 Exactly. Tom,
Speaker 4 00:48:25 I could agree with both you guys on that one. I mean, it's are much better out there and you know, there, and the thing is though, you get a lot more people researching today. There was a time in this field, in the paranormal. I'm not sure about the UFO. I will not speak on that. Where, when it became mainstream TV, everybody wanted to become a paranormal investigator. It doesn't look cool. And what it did was it actually damaged the paranormal field?
Speaker 2 00:48:57 Absolutely.
Speaker 4 00:48:59 And it damaged
Speaker 2 00:48:59 A lot of
Speaker 4 00:49:00 People too, just because the, they had the latest, greatest brand new equipment cuz their parents could afford to buy it for them. Doesn't mean they had the experiences either to go into these homes or these bigger museums. And that's why like in Massachusetts, it's had to get into a state park because a lot of that was destroyed. But now that this, the TV has now finally slowed down a little bit. Yeah. Unless you watch the travel channel. Right. You know, we can, I'll go back to the research end of the field and help these clients out and you get better cases and you're getting better stuff out there and you're helping more people.
Speaker 5 00:49:39 Okay. Because they went immediately to investigation. Didn't do any thing with research ahead of time. It helped to know the history. You know, anybody can pick up the recorders and go into place. That's reportedly haunting. But if you don't know anything about it, what, what are you really doing? Mm you're. What's called legend tripping more than right, right. Than you are really doing research.
Speaker 2 00:50:02 Yes. Then you've been sitting here very quietly, the whole lot pushing buttons. Let's say you about any of these things.
Speaker 3 00:50:07 Well, first of all, um, it's not often we have more than just you and I and someone on Skype in this studio. So I am studio asleep, paying attention to all the video switchers. So far, all of you watching the livestream. You're welcome. Um, I I've been trying to write down my thoughts as to, as time goes along and also we only have like five-ish minutes left, so I'll, I'll keep it, I'll keep it brief. We're existing in a really fun time in human history. Uh, there's an ancient Chinese curse that is may you live in interesting times and certainly we live in interesting times. Um, but that's a, that's a good thing and a bad thing. Right. So one of the really interesting things is the way that we experience everyday life, um, has changed quite a bit in the last two years. I would say, you know, the, the constant sense of fear is always fun.
Speaker 3 00:50:57 You know, <laugh> really sort of a sense of our own mortality all the time. So I think we're, we're living in a really fascinating period of history where there's sort of something changing. And this is what everyone's been talking about the last, you know, decade or so, which is the paradigm shift. Right. And, and I, I'm not a huge fan of the term. I think it's kind of, I don't know. It just it's <laugh> it's, it's just, I just don't think it does, does it justice, but we, we are experiencing something where we're kind of exp almost a, a re-enchantment and I, I mean that in a way that the mundane just isn't enough anymore. Right. You know, we, you, you, you're hearing more and more reports of people seeing UFOs. You know, people are stuck in their houses, they're contemplating things, they're reading more things and it's all the old stuff just isn't making any sense anymore.
Speaker 3 00:51:49 And we're getting to this point in, in postmodern thinking where we're kind of like, all right, well, there's a big wall here, which is nihilism. And we can either just go full nihilism and just say, well, nothing matters. Or we turn and try and find some way around the wall, but there's really no way around the wall. So you gotta look backwards and you have to pick up things that worked because the whole point of postmodernism is to take things and just Chuck 'em out, Chuck 'em out, Chuck 'em out until there's nothing left. Right. And so now our, our sort of modern world view is not taking into account everything where we're all hyper focused on very individualized things and you're missing everything else. And all that's left is really what's on the exterior. What's on the outside and that's where we are <laugh>.
Speaker 5 00:52:35 So it's not a, not really a paradigm shift. It's more of a paradigm shuffle
Speaker 3 00:52:41 About a boom. That's the one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:52:42 Well, we're just about out time here, folks. Uh, just a brief word about the para Fest, where people, people can find out more
Speaker 4 00:52:50 Essex county ghost, project.org tickets for sale. We still got, uh, open boot spaces available. People want it there's everything's on the website, Essex county ghost project.org, Newland para Fest, uh, April 9th through the 26th and 22nd, 23rd, 24th in may.
Speaker 2 00:53:07 Outstanding. Okay. Ben, I'll start the down thing.
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